"Update: The ishukone shirt did go out accidentally. Meaning the person picking items for the offers ( me ) wasn't aware of it having been used in a PLEX promotion. Bad bad Torfi. Now that it is out and there is an issue with people that had the shirt prior as a coveted rare collectors item, we have suspended sales on the ishukone shirt while we formulate a plan that's as fair to as many as possible. Expect an update later today on the issue. It's interesting thought that it became the most popular and traded item of the new clothes we put out in Inferno 1.1.

In other news, do you think we should sell bi-monocles? An item that's essentially two monocles, one for each eye, costing as much as two monocles? I just think there's a tiny portion of players that might find it amusing to wear those. A vulgar display of, something..."

CCP t0rfifrans and CCP Spitfire disagree with your assessment.

There are still many dozens, if not, hundreds, of the players who saw their investment on these Ishukone Shirts & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) devalued from 2B ISK to 0.022B (22 million) ISK as a result of CCP's grave mistake. (Personally, I had 3 shirts which equate to approximately 6B in losses --> I am sure there are MANY MORE who were adversely affected by this nonsensical devaluation as well).

There are many who owned several of these ISHUKONE shirts who had significant ISK tied up to this investment. Please provide us with your decision regarding this issue on reparation as soon as possible. It has been a week since you promised us an official answer. Please make this happen.

Lets assume that you purchased 3 Estamel modules for 2.2B each a day before, totaling 6.6B in investment. Then without a single warning, CCP decides to make those precious Estamel modules of yours, available for 1/100 of the original price you paid. Having lost approximately 6.5B in investments, you would be equally enraged and most likely, you will cancel your subscription.

CCP admitted that having those Ishukone & Women's Executor (Red/Gold) re-issued on NeX store for mere fraction of the original market value, was a mistake. I understand that you disagree with my sentiment, but what are you trying to achieve by keep telling everyone that we, the players, should solely assume the cost of CCP's mistake? CCP promised a reparation. Could you say something that is more productive than saying "you don't deserve this" over and over again?

You forgot to mention the point that if 3 of your Estamel modules' market value dropped from 6.6B to 0.06B, you would most likely be equally enraged and rage-quitted your subscription.

You keep claiming that Estamel and Ishukone shirts are different. They are not. You would've held Estamel not only because it is a powerful module, but also, because it has an investment value. Ishuokone Special Edition Shirt is a "powerful shirt (awesome fashion statement that provides immeasurable feeling of bliss for certain roleplayers or collectors!!!)" that has an investment value as well.

Unlikely, but it is a similar analogy. Could you answer my question?

So you are telling me that those who spent 2B for Ishukone Shirt prior to the devaluation, shouldn't be compensated because that's part of the market risk?

Second time you've responded to someone elses query.

Either you are butt hurt from being put in your place or just stalking me.

Mr Epeen

It's never made sense to me that they allow banned players to keep posting on an alt.

Mr Epeen

All your postings do nothing, but to incite annoyance from the parties adversely affected by CCP's mistake.

I believe that falls in line with the very definition of being a troll and as such, I must "ignore" your postings as well.

Please do keep the bumps up though. I can't be on 24/7.

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Too bad you didn't find that rule before you were banned. People might have actually taken you seriously.

Or not.

Mr Epeen

Space barbie drama. ''I got a coat an now everyone ahs my coat cry, cry cry cry.'' The same people moaning about these coats are the same people who want to have other items all to themselves. Other items such as T2BPO that let them stomp all over noobs with zero effort from their part, At least this crappy coat does not give them huge advantages. CCP should seed t2BPO's on the market for 50 cents too and make them cry some more :)

No. Just like other reputable gaming companies (yes, Blizzard), CCP should uphold the rarity of these items for future success of their marketing promotions. If they say "limited this, special that" in one offer, and then make it available for dirt cheap half a year later, disincentives potential customers from ever participating in the marketing promotions in the future.

You must have flayed the flesh off that dead horse by now.

Once again, it was a tied arrangement where CCP advertised the promotion as if the only venue to obtain the Ishukone Shirt was to purchase 13 x PLEXs. Also it specified that the deal was a "one-time offer" which added validity to the expectation that the Shirt will not be available via other venues on an indefinite basis.

I did not have to purchase 39 Plexs, but I did so because of the promotion advertised above. Sure, PLEXs were later used to help fund my other collecting binge, but it took significant time for me to use it. The costs associated with purchasing 39 PLEXs at once included Postponement of purchase and the possibility of gaining index interest.

No. McDonald's never re-release same toys with their Happy Meal promotion. Reputable companies like McDonald's understand that by having to reissue same items, the impact of their marketing promotions go down. Also they understand that there are serious collectors out there who collect these toys.

My extremely important apothesis question, to be precise.

I'm guessing you don't have children who collect the Happy Meals toys? You haven't seen how they want to get to Macdonalds for Happy Meals before the stock runs out and they can't complete the set?

Macdonalds has a very keen interest in the secondary market, because they know that a significant proportion of their Happy Meals customers are buying the meals for the toys, not for the awful food.

Since no one has been able to show what was in the offer, doesn't that make you and your conclusion as presumptuous as everyone else?

Is there no record of the original plex offer out there?

This I can agree with right up to the point of vitrolic counter attacks effectively asserting that The Antiquarian position was factually false. At that point a counter assumption has been made and is being asserted in the same manner.

And at this point in the argument, with CCP conceding that this was intended as a one time offer of the item, it proves that while the accusation is less than prudently worded, there was an underlying question worthy of response.

The accusation was unreasonable in my personal opinion, but the question of whether the expectation was reasonable or not is not one that anyone who doesn't work for CCP could answer. At best he can only reasonably ask the question. And part of that question is evaluating whether different acts for eligibility of an offer should set different expectations of handling. I think the answer to that is yes. Others clearly disagree. Either way the people arguing in this thread can't make the final determination

I am more curious as to how he came to the conclusion that throwing $230 on a virtual item to be a special cookie was a really great idea, only to find out six months later that everyone too can be a special cookie for basically nothing and now, he throws an angry self-entitlement tantrum because he is too stupid to handle money?

How many offers of the same nature had been made at that time to draw a precedent (PLEX purchase offers yielding an extra and prior unreleased item)?

If CCP will make these special ingame items available for merely hundredth of fraction of the initial "tied-in" arrangements or the costs,.

Once you understand basic concepts of finance, you will understand my arguments.

And please tell me. So you think if CCP does rule in favor of your arguments, then are you telling me that it has absolutely no impact on the future of similar marketing promotions?

CCP devs disagree with you.

Continue trolling and bumping this thread! Much appreciated!

So you bought 13 discounted Plex, with a free virtual t-shirt thrown in for good measure. You are now crying because the t-shirt is now widely available at a cheap price?

But Didn't you get 13 plex for a discount? and the t-shirt for free? so what is the problem

Speculate? I made reasonable assumption that CCP will never reintroduce these items via alternative venues for 1/30th of the market value to the general populous.

Collecting random weird geeky stuff on EVE is my chosen profession in EVE Online. I need a clear answer from CCP so I know what to do when the next similar promotions are available in the future.